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    X32 / S16 Routing

    I used my s16's with my x32 for first time yesterday. Gig was a large ballroom and had to snake the perimeter around seating for 300. I remember doing this with multi-core, what a great thing ethercon is!

    Anyhow, my question is around the input channel groups of 8 channels. In other words, it seems I have to pick channels, 8 at a time, to assign to either the local x32 connections or the stage connections via S16. While I guess this is managable, it restricts how I lay out my channels. If I'm running a live band where all the inputs come from stage, this is cake, but in last night's case I was using a dozen wireless bodypacks plus area mics on stage for ensemble vocals and I like to have the wireless receiver rack at FOH so I can see the indicators.

    My resolution was that I used the first "bank" of channels for the onstage wired mics (3 of them) and then had to skip to channels 9 thru 20 for my bodypacks so that I could assign those connections to local inputs on the board. Sure would have been nice (and fewer page slips on the x32) if I could have just started with channel 4 thru 15 and not have to go to the second fader page.

    So am I missing a configuration option that would allow that or does anyone know if individual routing options will be become available? I'm coming from a boat anchor called a Mackie TT24 and come on, if Mackie can implement that functionality on a device as poorly developed as that thing, I would hope Behringer/Midas could do it with their eyes closed.

    Any thoughts appreciated...

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    Hi John,

    Welcome to the digital world of X32. We've had ours (X32, 2 S16, 6 P16-M, P16D) since end of November and love it.

    You are correct that you have to assign in banks of 8. But that is only on the Routing section. You can configure the surface channels on the X32 anyway your hearts desire. Once you have the routing assignment completed (eg. Inputs 1-8 = AES50 A1-8, Inputs 9-16 = Local 1-8, Input 17-24 = Local 9-16, etc), simply go to the Home/Config page of each surface channel and choose the Source (eg. channels 1-4, choose the A01 to A04 respectively; channels 5-16, choose In01 to In12 respectively). You will see then on the scribble strips of channels 5-16 added tags of IN01 to IN12, indicating that routing is redirected.

    We have a similar scenario with ours (church setup) where we have the first 24 channels assigned to the S16's beside the platform and the last 8 assigned to the 25-32 on the X32. But the two wireless is connected to 25 & 26, but is on channels 15 and 16 on the surface to eliminate constant layer changing.

    Hope that helps

    Paul

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    Hi John,
    The console can be set up to assign any, local (XLR input), Aux (RCA and 1/4"), or remote(AES50), to any channel that you want, Just plug something in to the desired input, and select the channel that you want it to show up in. Like Paul said, it's all 1's and 0's. Routing is the important thing, making sure that the console sees everything first. Default settings with a single AES50 mirror input channels 1-16, and outputs1-8. These can be changed also. If you have two AES50, then they need to set for the first one as default, and the second to mirror inputs 17-32, and outputs 9-16. By default, the console sends main out to outputs 15 and 16, so configuring the second AES50 would be very important. On the behringer site, the manual has now been posted, and it can be very handy for the purpose of setting up the console and remote routing. But remember, nothing is written in stone, and you can set the system up to suit your needs.

    Good luck in your endeavor,

    Thanks,
    James
    Last edited by James Herrick; 03-16-2013 at 07:53 AM.

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    Hey guys,

    We just had our first Sunday morning service yesterday with our new X32. We are also coming from a Mackie TT24. After 8 years of use, it began to fall apart.

    We are really happy with the sound of this board. The feeling is that of moving from a cassette deck to a CD player. No hums, hiss, etc., just dead quite and crystal clear.

    My question is along the same issue with inputs routing.

    Our setup is:
    1 X32
    2 S16s digital snakes
    8 P16-Ms
    1 P16-D
    4 Floor monitors

    All 27 mics / instruments inputs are connected at the altar. However, I need to connect 2 ambient mics that are hanging from the ceiling and end up at the mixing station in the back. I have to connect these 2 mics directly to the X32.

    Are you guys saying that I can connect them to channels 31/32 and change the source to local inputs? Or does the source only changes the surface and NOT the input?

    Your thoughts would be appreciated...
    Last edited by Marcos Sebastian; 04-22-2013 at 02:26 PM.

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    Hi Marcos,

    Glad to hear that your church has switched to the X32. Our church switched over at the beginning of December (2012), coming from the Yamaha MG line of analog mixer. We have a similar setup as yours (X32, 2 S16, 6 P16-M, P16-D, 1 floor, 4 spots, 1 headphone).

    To get to your question, it is not quite as simple as you have suggested. Routing is assigned in banks of 8 for the first 4 banks (see the Routing/Home menu). Since you require 27 channels for the front (2 S16), you will need to assign all 4 banks to those 2 S16s. That's the bad news. The good news is the 5th bank, which is a bank of 4 inputs. This reassigns what is considered Aux In 1-4, which is by default Aux In 1-4 and layer 3, first 4 channels. You can reassign that bank to Local 1-4 and plug in the 2 ceiling mics to (say) input 1 and 2 in the back of the X32 (the XLR channels). You would still have Aux In 5-6 that you could plug in the CD player in inputs 5 & 6 (the 1/4" and RCA pair at the back of the X32).

    Another option is to re-think the setup at the front and reduce the inputs from 27 to 24 or less. That would allow you to assign the first 3 banks to the S16s and leave you the 4th one to the Local 1-8. This is sort of the tactic we have chosen. We built and installed 6 floor pockets into the floor of the platform. Each floor pocket has 7 XLR sends, 1 return, 1 1/4" unbalance send, speaker return, multiple ethernet, VGA, etc). The 1/4" unbalance sends go to an 8 channel DI under the platform and the output goes to a room beside the stage where the rack (with S16, amps, etc) is located. The other sends, returns, etc also go there. Depending where the worship team decides to locate, as well as all other inputs for that particular Sunday, determines how the cabling is plugged into the S16. Because of that versatility at the front room, the assigned channels on the X32 rarely have to be changed - and it greatly reduced how many inputs are required to be plugged in at any particular time. It takes a bit of planning and signal path thinking. But we love it, and wouldn't do it any other way, now that we have it. Just a thought.

    Paul

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    Evan Hooton
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    Hello Marcus,

    Wonderful to hear about your new X32 and S16 system. My name is Evan Hooton and I am the House of Worship Support Specialist for BEHRINGER. If you have any future questions about setting up your system, you can of course place a question on the thread but you can also PM me directly.

    Evan Hooton
    Specialist, Product Support HOW
    MUSIC Group
    BEHRINGER

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    Hi Paul,

    Thanks for your detailed response. I would go with first option for now, but will definitely rethink the input setup and your second suggestion.

    As it stands right now I have 5 empty inputs that can only be used at the stage on the S16. To give us more control and flexibility, maybe Behringer can break the routing setup in banks of 4 instead of 8 in a future firmware update.

    We are really excited about all the new features and possibilities new firmware updates will bring.

    Evan, thanks for your support. It's great to see Behringer has a dedicated person supporting Houses of Worship.

    Marcos

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    I've never seen a Behringer response to the widely held desire to break the routing into groups of 4 (or 2 or 1). I'd sure appreciate it if someone at Behringer could simply say:
    A. Because of hardware constraints this will never be possible with the X32, or
    B. While the hardware would support routing in blocks of 4 (or 2, or 1) the firmware changes would be significant and there is no plan to ever make that change, or
    C. We are considering whether or not to attempt to provide a firmware update to support finer grained routing, or
    D. We are currently developing firmware with routing in blocks of 4 (or 2, or 1) and will announce the details when that firmware is released, or
    E. (Behringer fill in the blank with something other than total silence.)

    The fact that I can't find any record of Behringer stating that it isn't possible, makes me think it is possible, and that Behringer is simply playing internal games with prioritizing that request against all the others. Surely Behringer would know if it wasn't possible and it would be easy to say if that was the case?

    Can we get a direct response on this?

    Thanks,

    John.

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    Dear John,

    Thanks for the question.
    I am looking into this and will see if I can get you an answer.

    Best Regards,
    Joe Sanborn
    Manager, Product Support
    MUSIC Group
    BEHRINGER

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    Dear John,

    Changing the granularity of our internal routing is nothing that can be done by just a firmware update. It might be possible in the future, but requires extensive reprogramming, nothing we are actively working on right now.

    So bottom line, it might be possible in the future.

    I hope this answers your question.

    Best Regards,
    Joe Sanborn
    Manager, Product Support
    MUSIC Group
    BEHRINGER

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