I do see what you mean, I think you could probably submix your drums down to one stereo subgroup, that buys you 3 mixbusses, Also, you don't really need to waste a mixbuss on your bass.
but yea its tight. When I get mine I will probably be more like:
1-16 (none going to LR)
7 Guitar 1
8 Guitar 2
9 Vox 1
10 Vox 2
11 Vox 3
12 Vox 4
13 Vox 5
15 ambient 1
16 ambient 2
17-32 (subgroup remixing)
17/18 Drum Subgroup remix
19 Bass remix
20/21 keys+guitar subgroup remix
22/23 Vox subgroup remix
24/25 FX1 remix
26/27 FX2 remix
BUS (none going to LR)
1/2 Drums subgroup
3/4 Keys, guitars subgroup
5/6 Vox subgroup
7 Bass subgroup
8 Monitor 1
9 Monitor 2
10 Monitor 3
11 Monitor 4
12 Monitor 5
Various different ways to go there, but I like your 7/8 concept
Some of our guys will be on p16m, so we don't even need all 5 monitor sends...which will give us one more stereo subgroup if we need it for something.
Last edited by Steve Schow; 10-01-2013 at 10:21 AM.
The thing is that each channel first has its own channels strip setup. In principle the compressors are in peak mode and mostly acting fast as normal.
On the subgroup/mixbus all compressors are in rms mode and acting slow. This means that you can't eliminate stuff from the subgroups. This means that the bass need to stay. The groups are setup for best choice when 'automixing'.
This is the concept of the dave rat technique. The dca's are a bonus pushing the mixbus compressors either as a whole or individually and a makeupgain with dca8. Some extra processing on the main mix will make it even more interesting...
Last edited by Robert Lofgren; 09-30-2013 at 02:56 PM.
yes, but you don't need to waste a bus on the bass since its not being combined with any other instruments. Just put a compressor on the bass track.....or....like I am talking, route it back through one of the 17-32 channels and do it there. You don't really need to subgroup a single instrument.
well I take it back....it has to go through a mix buss in order to be routed back to one of 17-32 anyway....so sorry for the confusion.
It's not about combination with another intrument but rather a combination with the submix.
Envision this path: bass-->channel[fx-insert-->ducker-->eq-->compressor]-->bus[compressor-->eq]-->main-mix[eq-->compressor]
In the first channel strip you find nothing special other than the ducker is sidechained to the kick. The compressor is setup to tame the peaks depending on the program material. The bus strip uses the slow rms compressor to set the balanced level towards the other bus mixes.
If you route the bass directly to the main mix you lose the automixing feature of the bass towards the rest of the mix.
By just looking at it it may not be very obvious but try it and you'll notice a huge difference. The channel is also more setup as for mixing in a daw giving you very good tools to shape you final sound.
Is it easy at first? - No. But with time you grow into it and it gets easier. I wouldnt be able to do this without a template and you can get lost with all the channel paths and configurations. For the bass I have four faders that control its level plus the master fader!
But in the end it's a great setup.....
Last edited by Robert Lofgren; 09-30-2013 at 03:51 PM.
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