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    X32 > Klark Teknik DN 9620 > Midas Pro1 (AES50 interconectivity)

    Good Evening everyone,

    This is my frist post and I would like to say that this forum is very helpful indeed.

    I have a question about the AES50 Interconectivity between X32 and the Midas Pro1.
    I have read somewhere here in the forums that for now it is not possible to connect these mixers because the Midas runs in 96khz and x32 runs in 48khz.( however, we could be surprised with a 96khz version in the x32 on the version 2.0- not confirmed yet).

    BUT, as I was searching on the Midas website I found that they are launching a new AES50 "interface", the DN 9620, that will accept multiple clocks and works in 96khz and 48khz. That said, my frist thought was that it will be possible to interconnect these mixers.

    So, I would like to ask if it will be possible.

    My main reason to have this question is: My church is growing and we are building a new temple. Where we live, the cost of many professional products are too high and we are in need, right now, for a cheap solution to our record area. We are still using analog mixers, a Mackie Onxy 4080 (that I really like), but I saw a opportunity to try digital mixers with a record solution built-in, that way I could improve our live sound and our record problem- I dont have all signal processors in every channel at my mackie.
    However, after our next building is complete, we might be able to buy the Midas Pro1, I know that this mixer sounds amazing but dont have a easy record solutiong built-in- I would need a the Dn9650 with a madi interface.

    So, I would like to know if it will be possible to use the Midas pro1 as a FOH mixer and the X32 as monitor, connected by AES50, then I would use the USB conection of the x32 to record on the pc.


    Im sorry for the long post and long explanation, also my bad english- Im not a native speaker.

    Thank you for the help,

    Regards
    Raphael Cox

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    Dear Raphael,
    The KT DN9620 that you refer to is designed only to be an extender for cases where one must extend a cable carrying AES50 signal beyond the recommended approx. 100M.
    Regarding using the X32 with the MIDAS PRO Series: As you mention, all of the MIDAS Digital Consoles, including the PRO1, operate at 96kHz and do not have a 48kHz option. Since the PRO1 is locked at 96kHz and the X32 can’t do 96kHz, you currently can not use the PRO1 at FOH and X32 at MON position connected via AES50.
    Currently the only MIDAS box that can work with the X32 is the DL251 Stagebox, because it can be switched into 48kHz operation.

    Hope it helps!

    Best,
    John DiNicola
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    Quote Originally Posted by John DiNicola View Post
    Hi Raphael,
    The KT DN9620 that you refer to is designed only to be an extender for cases where one must extend a cable carrying AES50 signal beyond the recommended approx. 100M.
    Regarding using the X32 with the MIDAS PRO Series: As you mention, all of the MIDAS Digital Consoles, including the PRO1, operate at 96kHz and do not have a 48kHz option. Since the PRO1 is locked at 96kHz and the X32 can’t do 96kHz, you currently can not use the PRO1 at FOH and X32 at MON position connected via AES50.
    Currently the only MIDAS box that can work with the X32 is the DL251 Stagebox, because it can be switched into 48kHz operation.

    Hope it helps!

    Best,
    John DiNicola
    Senior Specialist, Product Support
    MUSIC Group
    BEHRINGER


    John, Thank you for the reply!

    I have watched all the webinars and you guys did a really great job with those explanations!

    Im really tempted to get the X32 and use it has a Monitor/Record interface. So, as you said, if I use the DL 251, I could switch to 48khz and use on of the AES50 ports to the X32 and have a full control to record and mix? Would you say that the difference between 48khz and 96khz is audible?

    That could be interesting.

    Thanks again!
    Raphael Cox

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    Ohh, just saw the " locked 96khz". So, even if I could switch to 48khz, the Pro1 console would not accept it, am I right?

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    Dear Raphael,
    Thanks for the kind words, glad you found the Webinars useful!
    You are correct that the PRO1 is locked at 96kHz. Either way, the DL251 would only be connected to one console at a time as it does not have a second set of ports. The link would be from MON console to FOH console, but because of sample rate differences between the X32 and PRO1 this is currently not possible either.

    Best,
    John DiNicola
    Senior Specialist, Product Support
    MUSIC Group
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    Raphael, I am in a similar situation. My company has three kinds of digital mixers currently, Yamaha, Avid and Behringer. We are considering getting rid of the Yamaha M7CL and replacing it with the Midas Pro2. Currently to get any two of our mixers to talk to each other we are using the Venue Stage Box 48. Here is how our signal flows. I have a Horizon 48 channel rack mount snake head. All input signals go to the Horizon snake head. I use the monitor split of the head to go to either the X32 or M7CL depending on what we are using for the show. I use the main snake connection on the Horizon to patch the Venue Stage Box 48. I connect my Ethernet cables to the Venue Stage Box 48 and to the Venue SC-48. I can record off of either the Venue SC-48 or off of the Behringer X32 through the USB output. I have used both and to be honest I can't tell the difference of sound quality in the recording.

    This is a way to get around your problem and just something to think about.

    Bill
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Schnake View Post
    Raphael, I am in a similar situation. My company has three kinds of digital mixers currently, Yamaha, Avid and Behringer. We are considering getting rid of the Yamaha M7CL and replacing it with the Midas Pro2. Currently to get any two of our mixers to talk to each other we are using the Venue Stage Box 48. Here is how our signal flows. I have a Horizon 48 channel rack mount snake head. All input signals go to the Horizon snake head. I use the monitor split of the head to go to either the X32 or M7CL depending on what we are using for the show. I use the main snake connection on the Horizon to patch the Venue Stage Box 48. I connect my Ethernet cables to the Venue Stage Box 48 and to the Venue SC-48. I can record off of either the Venue SC-48 or off of the Behringer X32 through the USB output. I have used both and to be honest I can't tell the difference of sound quality in the recording.

    This is a way to get around your problem and just something to think about.

    Bill
    Hello Bill!

    I found your reply very helpful. I totally forgot about the option of a mic splitter!!! It would be a great- and cheap- way to use both mixers until Midas/behringer come with something!
    I like the option of X32 because I can record and use personal monitoring in a single equipment, without the need of expending extra budge in additional interfaces, and still use it later on with the Midas Pro1 at my main LCR and broadcast!

    Thanks Bill!

    Regards
    Raphael Cox

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    John,

    Sorry to disturb you again with my question in this topic, but has I was searching for ways to integrate my new system and I had a look at the S-16 features and saw this:

    24 bidirectional audio channels over CAT5 cable (96 kHz)

    Could it be used as a link between the Midas Pro-1 and the X32- or even use the S-16 has a standalone P-16 mixer?

    I think you know my main reason to keep looking for way to deal with this configuration. I would like to run the X32 as Monitor mix , or even just a S-16 as a P-16 mixer( good personal mixing solution and way cheaper than others brand) and the Midas Pro-1 at FOH. I found " cheap" solutions to record with the Pro1 but would be great to have a secondary option has well.

    So, if this would be possible, can you explain me how this 24 ch/96khz work? I Have looked at the manual and didnt found any information about it. You can assume that we have a Pro1 + DL 251, so it will have 5 AES50 ports total

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    Dear Raphael,
    The part of the S16 documentation you refer to is talking about the SuperMAC / AES50 protocol in general, not about the implementation on the S16. When using the protocol at 44.1kHz / 48kHz, channel count is doubled to 48x48. As you know from using the PRO1, the channel count at 96kHz on MIDAS systems is 24x24 because of the higher sampling rate. This is why you need to use two cables to connect your DL251 to the PRO1 to get all 48 channels of inputs.

    The S16 is only capable of operating at 44.1kHz / 48kHz like the X32, which is why the channel count is doubled to 48.
    Currently because of this sample rate difference, the X32 & PRO families cannot be integrated digitally over AES50.

    Sorry for the confusion, I hope this helps!

    Best,
    John DiNicola
    Senior Specialist, Product Support
    MUSIC Group
    BEHRINGER

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    Thank you again John!

    I really hope that you guys can add 96khz in the S16 in a near future software update, even if it only carrys 24 channel!

    I think I will end up with the P-16I to implement Personal Monitor system... It is probably the easier and cheaper way to do it!

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